The Arrow

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We’re Number 37

Posted by thearrow on September 22, 2009

And we want to keep it that way.

Or, if you want to know what all the brouhaha around health care reform in America really is about, here is an explanation:

http://pol.moveon.org/insurance_execs/?id=17290-5326222-RfIwqDx&t=2

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32 Responses to “We’re Number 37”

  1. v said

    “Obama, why?!”
    :)))))

  2. thearrow said

    Heh-heh. The thing is, I don’t even find it funny, that’s how outraged I am. There are 46 million uninsured people in the U.S. and even those who are insured can be denied coverage of medical procedures if their insurance company decides so. Just like that, because they can. I think 60% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical bills. Very few people are truly safe from this standpoint. The rest are one catastrophic illness away from being in the streets. And conservatives complain that covering everyone will get the country even deeper in debt. So, we can’t get the country in debt to offer decent health care but we can get it in debt to go to stupid wars.

    As you can see, I don’t have a sense of humor when it comes to this.

    • WE said

      da, asa e. sunt multe-multe cazuri de oameni ajunsi in strada dat. medical bills. ai ghinionul sa ai o boala cronica si sa nu ai o asigurare beton, iti vin bill-uri si de 100.000 de dolari. plateste-le daca poti. @v, nu prea e funny deloc. sunt oameni cu cancer care refuza tratamente bune (in sensul ca le mai dau ceva timp de trait) pentru ca nu au bani sa plateasca. si compania de asig. medicala gaseste mii de tertipuri si portite ca sa nu plateasca. sau daca nu gaseste, atunci inventeaza.

      cat despre romania, cum?:) sunt oameni care lupta impotriva sistemului!:)

      • v said

        parca ma-ndoiesc totusi ca e mai putin funny decit la noi, unde nu se pune problema de tratamente bune pentru nimic – financiar vorbind – si de-abia daca se pune problema de tratamente competente.

  3. Alt.L said

    True, and if the catastrophic illness hits, the healthy spouse is presented with the option to get a divorce: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/opinion/30kristof.html

    What sent chills up my spine was this part: “The hospital told M. not to waste time in dissolving the marriage. For five years after any divorce, her assets could be seized — precisely because the government knows that people sometimes divorce husbands or wives to escape their medical bills.”

    The moveOn.org video you give the link to is great (and so true!). Will Ferrell rules!

  4. v said

    @theArrow: i know and rest assured same problems are also about to enter ro – not to mention the today situation in which we need to buy everything for any treatment because hospitals have no money for that – although we’ve already paid for it.
    but
    you can’t deny that video is irresistible 😀

  5. thearrow said

    V, trust me, I know the Romanian health care system is completely f*ed up. There’s no question about it. What’s worse is that nobody who has the power to do something about it cares. My parents have to deal with that stuff all the time.

    Alt.L., yes, I’ve read that story. It’s horrific. That poor woman has to hide the fact that she’s caring for her now ex-husband so that the feds don’t see that they’re only divorced on paper and come after her assets. But hey, this is America, the greatest nation on earth, where people have to be driven into the ground before they can get some help. And when they get it, it’s too late anyway.

  6. WE said

    mie mi-e teama ca noua lege va fi suficient de stramba si swaitzer, ca asigurarile et al. sa ia banu in continuare.

    scandalurile alea din “town hall meetings” au cam fost eye openers.

    poate o sa pun niste date pe 2008 pt. LA area cu uninsured. it’s chilling.

  7. WE said

    @v, poti dezvolta un pic ideea aceea? tratamente bune vs competente?

    da, situatia este dezastruoasa in Ro., o comparatie intre ce e aici si ce e acolo e greu de facut. ar tb. mult pe tema asta, de pe toate “baricadele”: pacienti, doctori, insurance companies (aici), pharma (aici si acolo), statul “capusa” (acolo).

    • v said

      nu e nici un versus acolo. tu ai vorbit de tratamentele bune, dar scumpe. prin asta inteleg medicamente si tehnologii noi si performante. la noi, mai subtire cu asa ceva… desigur, medicamentele si tehnologiile noi merg mina in mina cu informarea continua si cu competentele innoite periodic. la noi, dincolo de asa ceva, adesea nu se aplica nici principiul competentelor simple. greu sa mai ai incredere in chirurgul care i-a scos apendicele sanatos pacientului care a venit cu o boala fara legatura, in medicul de garda care a aruncat la gunoi degetul proaspat taiat si adus in gheata in timp util, doctoritei de la endocrinologie care prescrie amfetamine fara sa ia macar tensiunea pacientului, ortopedului de la care pleci cu piciorul strimb fiindca n-a stiut sa-ti sudeze doua oase rupte si asa mai departe.

  8. WE said

    adica? ce le (va) face?

    • v said

      pai, porneste de la lipsa de rabdare, treci prin repezit si bruscat verbal, inclusiv injurii si epitete, ajungi la umilit si termina glorios cu conditionarea actului medical de suprataxa neoficiala, si se cheama ca ai parcurs cam tot meniul. daca-mi mai amintesc ceva iti spun.

  9. WE said

    asta mi s-a intamplat si in sist. privat din ro. nu chiar in halul asta, dar pe aproape. domnisoara asistenta era f. ofuscata ca venele mele nu sunt atat de vizibile si evident ca eu eram vinovat. venele mele, pana la urma, nu?:)

    pe de alta parte, stiu si asistente mai mult decat misto, care se purtau uman (desi cateodata cinic) cu pacientii (clienti, pana la urma). cel mai haios a fost cand am lesinat cand mi-au bagat acul in vena. mi-au dat palme initial (adica dupa ce m-am albit si m-am prelins cam grabit inspre pozitia orizontala), ce oroare!:D

  10. v said

    si care e mirarea, ca doar in sistemul privat profeseaza tot cadrele medicale din sistemul de stat. ah, cu ocazia asta imi aduc aminte si de impletirea gretoasa dintre ‘privat’ si stat, daca vrei cutare treaba vino mata la mine la cabinet, platestea-o mata pe asistenta de la mine, du-te mata la farmacia lu’ cutarescu meu si asa mai departe.

    si cum ti-au zis ca sa-ti revii, “ti-am tras palme, ma-ntelegi?” 😀

  11. WE said

    mi le-au tras la propriu.s-au speriat cand m-au vazut facand pe turnul din Pisa. de fapt palmele m-au fortat sa deschid ochii. dupa aia mi-au dat cu saruri pe la nas si gata!:)
    se mai intampla:) reactia nervului vag este inconstienta asa ca nu stii cand iti joaca festa. de atunci m-am mai intarit si eu. nu mai fac dramoleta din asta. atat de des:)

  12. thearrow said

    Ia uite ce de conversatii pe prispa mea si eu absentam:). Inca n-am lesinat in timp ce mi se ia singe pentru analize, dar sigur ma lua cu un gol mare in stomac si ma faceam alba. Dar o data am si ris in timpul procedurii; eram in pat la spital (cu hepatita A) si asistenta care imi lua singe era o haioasa (si foarte buna profesional). Pe linga ca avea o mina usoara, scotea niste poante de uitai ca aveai ac in vena.

    • v said

      c-ai o prispa primitoare. 😀

    • Alt.L said

      Hehe, vorbeam de curand cu L despre cum ma albeam inainte analizele pentru talasemie numai cand vedeam tavile butucanoase de metal in care erau seringile alea enorme, de fier, cu niste ace ca pentru cai. Eu asa mi le aduc aminte… Intepatura in sine nu m-a durut niciodata, dar setting-ul si recuzita erau de cosmar. Am inca in nari mirosul de policlinica la prima ora a diminetii. Oh, minunatii ani ’80 😀

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